Veganism or Vegatarianism?

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Permalink Reply by isabella on June 14, 2008 at 8:50am

The last time my mom ate a hamburger was 1973 i belive. She was a dancer at the time, so the whole point was to keep her weight down. If that's the reason you want to go veg(lose weight) then i think it would work.

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Permalink Reply by Victor Alx. Carter on June 15, 2008 at 9:08pm

well im not trying to lose weight i just want to bee healthy and try something new.

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Permalink Reply by Alex V. on June 14, 2008 at 10:49am

Eating no animal products is in my opinion just as bad as eating just animal products. We need both of them in a healthy balance.

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Permalink Reply by Ivan on June 14, 2008 at 12:48pm

I just want to put in what i believe and may not necessarily true so if I am missing anything just post it. I feel that meat is no necessarily needed in our diet everyday. It is healthier to eat less meat. I mean some people say how am I supposed to get my protein !!!!! :( and I say to that that we have been indoctrinated to believe that we can not live without meat. When you can protein from other sources such as soy, beans, legumes, nuts and seeds. With these sources you don't get the saturated fat and hight cholesterol that is associated with meat. I feel that Vegans take it too far. It is like they lost the meaning of it and try to push it on to others. I understand the suffering of the animals and the way they are just seen as objects that are just an expendable form of food. I mean if there was less demand we would see the animals suffer less right. Going on to vegetarians I could care less if they do eat meat once in a while, but then they would not be vegetarian would they. The point being is that what you do with your life is fine and showing the benefits is all right just don't push it on to other people. It like that with everything else. I personally try to cut back on eating meat whether I eat red meat, chicken, or fish. That is just my choice. It is up to one to chose what they put in their mouths. And to Alex v producing meat costs more to produce than that of Plant matter. Yes we might need both, but we should eat less meat compared to plant matter. Those are just my opinions and like I said question it. Thats how we learn if we want to :P

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Permalink Reply by Victor Alx. Carter on June 15, 2008 at 9:07pm

lol, thanks for the answer dude, that's how i feel. im not tryin g to be some animal rights nuts im just trying to be healthy.


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Permalink Reply by KNOWLEDGE on June 25, 2008 at 10:59pm

im vergetarian, but im not going to say ive been in this for years. i just started and i feel great! however i have eaten a little fish...some sushi, but it says its imitation...so is it really meat? none the less i guess i wouldnt be a TRUE vegetarian. Im doin this for me, i got into this disgusting diet of fat greasy garbage and it has taken a toll on my body physically and so thats me.

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Permalink Reply by LunarEffect on July 23, 2008 at 10:52pm

I'm a vegetarian for the most part. I very, very rarely eat fish, but I havent eaten any meat from a land animal for the last 3-4 years. In the beginning I just felt sorry for the animals. No matter how "softly" or "humanely" they are killed, being dead is not a desirable state for any living being (in my very humble opinion), therefor I do not feel good in contributing to the death of another living being. Apart from that, I find it hypocritical of a lot of carnivores for eating meat but not being able to kill an animal themselves. Only if the animal is dead and cut up into pieces are a lot of meat eaters willing to eat it. If they had to kill and cut it up themselves, they probably wouldn't do it.

Over the years now I've calmed down on the "feeling sorry" part. Its still a big reason for me, but far more important is the fact that a huge amount of the polution caused on this planet is caused by the gasses produced by the digestive system of cattle. I know this sounds obsurd, but the greenhouse gasses emitted by a cows burp or fart are much more aggressive than those emitted by a fossil fueled car. Of course I'm not saying "get rid of all the cows!", but the amount of meat humans consume causes there to be a lot more cattle on the planet than there would be if we were all vegetarian. I feel I'm playing my part in protecting the environment by not consuming meat-products.

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Permalink Reply by Fabian on November 9, 2008 at 3:50am

I love how you said you find it hypocritical for anyone eating meat not willing to kill an animal themselves!!! lmao OMG. I can agree with your feeling on that, its funny if someone is ever eating a chicken at a restaurant God forbid there ever be feathers on their chicken...they could lose their appetite lol like "oh wait...this is actually a chicken! lol...My grandmother has killed her chickens and then cooks it...pretty bad ass...I don't know if I could kill it myself...lol I guess that makes me a hypocrite!!!!

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Permalink Reply by (tubejay) culture over aquisition on September 5, 2008 at 11:37am

i'm openminded when it comes to the idea of a soul, and even more openminded to the idea that life is sacred. we should never be careless with the lives of plants, even if we take them from the places they live and use them for our own purposes, we should do so with the utmost respect, as do the native americans. with animals, the same.

some people believe that plants can feel pain, and other people somehow convince themselves that animals can't. we should always kill with mercy and speed as the first priority. apologies to anyone who is offended by its mention, but it's going to be an important issue for a long time whether i mention it or not. you're not going to make everyone vegetarian.

with population levels the way they are, we may have proven that agriculture as a global lifestyle will always produce a greater surplus, a greater population, and a greater number of people that are starving. for ethical and practical reasons, we may need to find more alternatives to agriculture, a concept that many vegetarians would not be very thrilled about, but it does not imply any end to eating vegetables.

but not eating meat would pose a real problem for animal lovers at a time when there are 6 to 8 billion people living on the planet. it would mean that the land we use for grazing would be replaced by land we use for more planting. consider the state of the rainforests and its inhabitants, the state of farming, and tell me where you intend for these animals to live? it's true that we eat them, but the creatures we do eat are the last ones that we'll cause the disappearance of. by eating cows, we preserve the existance of cows. if everyone became vegan now, they might become an endangered species.

for this and other reasons, i don't feel bad that i eat meat. i do eat very little beef, and lots of chicken, and not enough vegetables, and as long as americans eat that way, vegetarians might respond to americans with more urgency than in other countries where more reasonable portions of meat are consumed. i do try very much not to waste my food, and this is part of the respect i pay it, along with leaning towards organics that are produced with more traditional, less horrific lives for both animal and plant life. and i would certainly not touch veal, or foie de gras. even if part of the food chain, an animal should live a good life.

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Permalink Reply by Fabian on November 9, 2008 at 4:37am

How would cows become an endangered species if humans stopped eating them? With their main predators gone technically wouldn't there be more of them?

Pardon me I don't mean to sound like an ass or mean to personally attack you but I feel that you're bringing up a point that is a result of a lot of people being misinformed. I can imagine the logic where someone might think "ok big corporation profiting off of (given product, this case) livestock if we don't buy their product they'll make less of it" not participating does not guarantee less pollutants in our atmosphere. I think the real problem is the antibiotics and steroids implemented in a cow's diet.I'm even willing to imagine that this bad concoction of drugs supplemented in their diets is what is polluting the air and making our people sick. The real solution has to be the FDA's policies on the treatment of these cows being reformed. Maybe feeding these cows natural foods will produce healthier cows and a healthier environment? Outside of this little detail I can understand vegetarians justification for giving up meat. I'll even settle for "cause I feel like it" response. Your body you have a right to decide what to put in it

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Permalink Reply by (tubejay) culture over aquisition on November 9, 2008 at 12:11pm

they shouldn't load cows up on antibiotics, we agree there. they do that to animals in factory farms because putting so many of them so close together is not only cruel, it breeds more disease.

organic livestock farming means going back to cows less close together, less drugs, healthier environment. but cows take up a lot of room for grazing and managing. if that land was not set aside for cows, they would use the land for something else, like growing soybeans. that's why i say they would become endagered. we'd take their land if we weren't using it for cattle. you could establish "bovine sanctuaries," and that's exactly what they do with endangered species. we'll have more of them if we eat them. as for misinformed, that's possible. but there have been times when a natural predator was destroyed and as a result the prey's population grew to the point where they ran out of food, and their numbers did reach an endagered or watched level. so to answer your question "wouldn't there be more of them?" at first yes, but not necessarily.

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Permalink Reply by Fabian on November 9, 2008 at 3:23pm

Well replied Tubejay! I can definitely see where you are going with this and I can totally see possibilities of cow's numbers decreasing if we throw them out of their land. Poor cows...is it just me or am I seeing Cows getting screwed in either circumstance?

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