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Campfire: How Much Do You Use BitTorrent?

Zadi starts this week's campfire discussion with some thoughts around BitTorrent and the way local ISP's are messing with P2P data transfer.



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Personally, I run a torrent client almost 24/7, and as for the MPAA and RIAA, I don't support either of those companies so I avoid all of their products. Their business model is flawed, and right now, they are going after their largest customer base and suing to instill fear rather then fighting the root of the problem. Most people are willing to pay money for products that they like, and torrents are a great way of "trying before buying." However the recording and motion picture industries are just pissing off all of the consumers, and hopefully, they will fall in the next 5 years or so.

There are torrent clients out there that take up very little resources in terms of processing power, and managing torrents is much more convenient for me then using crappy P2P programs like limewire, shareaza, etc. I find that torrents are much more versatile, since the main way I find things to download is through google, and certain tracker sites. I too have heard the rumors about comcast trying to block torrent traffic by identifying the types of packets a torrent program would send out and throttling those specific packets. However some newer clients have an encryption scheme which help get around this limitation. My personal belief is that the internet should not be controlled, and no bandwidth throttling or boosting to certain sites. The information highway should remain unrestricted. That would be the best case possible, however with the ignorance on current technology from our politicians and lawmakers, I don't see this happening, instead I think that they will submit to the big business and pass laws to keep them satisfied. After all, in reality today's America is run by large corporations, not the common people. It's sad, but unfortunately that is one of the downsides of a democracy. I really hope the internet remains unrestricted however, the outlook is cloudy.

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Yeh that would work.

When using torrents, its more about getting stuff for free than it is about stealing from companies.

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That would certainly be an option worth considering. It would also make it much easier to sleep at night... :)

However, I've tried several times to access extra content that networks put on their sites, like interviews, behind the scenes, specials, only to be greeted by a big "This content is not available to users from outside the US". That's not cool...

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Its a good idea, but you for most of us outside the US, Series like Prison Break which just returned from hiatus will finish airing its last five episodes in a month and a half. While Season 3 might only start in 3 months in our respective places of origin, so my point is, it also matters when would we get offered these series since it would bother me to have to wait 3 more months to be able to see them while its already in DVD somewhere else!! I know its not correct to obtain series threw torrents, but whats the difference from taping them with your new HP media desktop that can record everything you want, i doubt any of the two will buy the official DVD anyway! as long as it is for personal use and you don't get a direct benefit from it. I don't see the problem.

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yeah I would do that... I don't mind a few ads.

but until now I've yet to find any of these networks streaming things at all user friendly, or efficient.

they're often better for pcs than mac too, which is another reason I go for torrents.

its fast, diverse, easy etc.

I don't download a lot of mainstream stuff, aswell, so The types of things I get with torrents (documentarys, nature programs, graff stuff, music production stuff), aren't going to be on these major networks sites.

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Yes I absolutely would.
The only reason I torrent is when it's unavailable or overpriced.
BTW Geofencing is BS!

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So that would be 98% of the time?? or even higher? lol

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I have actually tried something like that before. When ABC first brought out their media streaming service, I tried to use a proxy to access it. I had problems with it but it was much easier than torrents.

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I've tried proxy's but they don't seem to work with streaming like you mentioned.
They are guarding their territories so they can sell the rights to each country individually.
Can you say "obsolete model"?

There has to be one international airdate/webdate for shows.
Otherwise their episode views (and ads) will not be counted as people torrent the programs.

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I use torrents for almost everything I need. Torrents tend to have everything in general and with the click of a button and 20 mins, download complete. Even if they find way to stop this theres always a way around everything. This fight goes back from the napster site days and now torrents? I know a few people that cay comcast, verizon, etc have sent them a letter saying their IPs have download some movies and they that the letters where warnings. So does that mean if your service knows that you are downloading illegally they can rat you out?

word?

wtf

That almost sounds like..entrapment..maybe not..I just like that word.

-ban'dit

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Personally, for me its actually worth the $15-20 to go and buy a movie or the TV series on DVD. Here, (in the boonies) it takes forever to download anything. We can barely get DSL where we live, and most people have dial up. Even while a movie or anything larger than a few MB is downloading it uses nearly all of our bandwidth making it impossible to use the internet. Yesterday I rented Dodgeball from iTunes thinking i would kill a couple of hours, however it ended up taking over 4 hours to download a 1 GB file. Of course I was attempting to watch it while it was downloading however it was very frustrating and I couldn't do anything else online for those incredibly long 4 hours!

For me, bittorrent is something I look to when I need to download, an ebook or something relatively small. Its not something I use on daily and if I decide to use it i have to download/upload anything during at night while I'm asleep, otherwise I pull my hair out while using the slower than dial up speed.

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